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November 24
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November 24, 2025 (Monday)
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RD/blurb H. Rap Brown
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American civil rights activist H. Rap Brown, who served as chairman of the SNCC and advocated for Black Power, dies at the age of 82. (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Ainty Painty (talk) 07:09, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose RD needs a few more citations. Unsure why this person deserves a blurb, so neutral on that. Natg 19 (talk) 08:06, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Needs work To start with, the lead doesn't summarise much of the article. And there ought to be more about the "H. Rap Brown Federal Anti-Riot Act" which is just a See also entry currently. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:27, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- There's a few uncited paragraphs that currently already preclude it for RD. The update to the article is not significant enough to warrant a blurb either, even if the open issues were fixed. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:34, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
November 23
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November 23, 2025 (Sunday)
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RD: Udo Kier
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dunn, Jack (24 November 2025). "Udo Kier, German Actor Who Appeared in 'My Own Private Idaho,' 'Andy Warhol's Frankenstein,' Dies at 81". Variety. Retrieved 24 November 2025.
Credits:
- Nominated by Emperor Sheev Palpatine of Naboo (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Sorry Sheev here, i am new here so uh just getting my footing, seems that this nom didnt go well, I withdraw my blurb nom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emperor Sheev Palpatine of Naboo (talk • contribs) 04:43, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose both Opposing RD as large chunks of the article are unsourced. Opposing blurb because... come on. Maybe nominators should start by giving an argument FOR blurbing a RD before just throwing the word "blurb" in there and expecting people to have to argue against it. --TorsodogTalk 04:05, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb on notability, oppose RD on quality per Torsodog. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 04:20, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
November 2025 Israeli attack in Beirut
[edit]Blurb: Israeli airstrike on Beirut, Lebanon, kills five Hezbollah members, including Haytham Ali Tabatabai. (Post)
News source(s): AP, L'Orient Today, Haaretz
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
ArionStar (talk) 01:14, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle Independently important event regardless of whether it restarts active shooting between Israel and Hezbollah. Article is not up to standard. Bremps... 01:26, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle but wait until article is fully written.–DMartin 01:33, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose unless it re-starts a full-scale conflict. Similar airstrikes have been happening roughly a handful of times a month since the ceasefire, this one's only slightly more notable because it involved a somewhat-notable Hezbollah figure (who, for what it's worth, didn't even have an article (which itself is still stub/start-class) until today). The Kip (contribs) 01:58, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- The article itself is also a four-sentence stub at the moment. The Kip (contribs) 02:15, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wait article is not ready yet. As for notability I'm undecided but leaning oppose. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 02:14, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Israeli incursions and airstrikes into Lebanon are nothing new. They have been consistently ongoing throughout recent months (see e.g. 1 2 3). Given then that airstrikes on Lebanon are a frequent and regular occurrence, the question becomes "Is Haytham Ali Tabatabai, whether due to his life or his manner of death, notable enough for an RDblurb"? The answer is no on both fronts. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 04:11, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose We don't need a blurb anytime some group in the middle east fire a weapon at each other again. Particularly when a lot of this is retaliation and counter-retaliation related to the genocide in Israel that is in ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 05:08, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Ongoing has this covered already with an entry in the timeline that is much the same as the nominated article. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:00, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
RD: Skye Gyngell
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australian chef, death announced on 23rd a day after death (22nd). Abcmaxx (talk) 00:15, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article appears to be well-cited with no glaring issues. Unknown-Tree🌲 (talk) 07:18, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support I did not spot any glaring issues from a quick readthrough. ~2025-35993-54 (talk) 09:50, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
UN Climate Change Conference (COP30)
[edit]Blurb: The annual UN Climate Change Conference (COP30) (pictured) concludes with a weak agreement on further measures to mitigate climate change. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The annual UN Climate Change Conference (COP30) (pictured) concludes with an agreement on further measures to mitigate climate change.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, France24, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jirka Dl (talk · give credit) and Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Climate change is a significant factor in many of the disasters that we report and so this annual tussle should be part of our coverage too. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:53, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support This conference received a lot of news coverage, and the agreement has generally be seen as a small step forward following the past couple years of conferences being captured by big oil. I'd be concerned about calling the agreement "weak" in wikivoice, but this wording seems to be backed up enough by expert consensus that I'd be happy to leave it in (although perhaps an ALT would be wise to include). --Grnrchst (talk) 12:27, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Unless the conclusion is something of the scale of the Paris Agreement, we typically do not post these types of international meetings. That we have to call the agreement here "weak" is not helpful to demonstrate why this is important. If anything the most significant news is the purposeful lack from the US to be involved and even that itself is not reason to post. Masem (t) 13:02, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- This is ITN where other candidate topics include the sale of a comic book, a beauty contest, a bus accident, a motorcycle race and lots of football games. Just about any environmental issue is more important than these. The US angle is significant as it has affected the pace of progress while the independent initiative of California is interesting too. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:19, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Every year politicians from all over the globe fly in on private jets to either a fossil-fuelled dictatorship, flood-prone region, concrete metropolis, or in this case, a deforested area, make bold statements and promises, only to go back to sponsoring fossil fuels, wars, logging industries, mass-produced low quality plastics in coal-powered factories and energy-guzzling data-centres. Then repeat the whole charade each year while the climate continues to deteriorate. If they really cared about the environment they would have backed it up with actions, even small ones such as holding this meeting on Zoom, because the only thing this meeting has so far done is raised the carbon footprint. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:03, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- This may be true, but it doesn't affect whether the conference is a notable event for ITN --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- It does because notability is determined by impact. If this summit bears no tangible results then its impact is non-existent and therefore it isn't notable. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:43, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- This may be true, but it doesn't affect whether the conference is a notable event for ITN --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 14:03, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose even the article mentioned that the outcome of this conference was "weak" at best since it's the usual carrot on stick promise that was being made instead of observable progess. NotKringe (talk) 14:22, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb Many of the oppose rationale seem to have an implicit premise that ITN should functionally become "Current events Wikipedians think are most important". That is, in fact, not what this section is for: ITN means "in the news". Meaningless sham elections and performative global conferences can, and regularly do, garner substantive worldwide news coverage, even while that coverage is critical or skeptical. "I acknowledge this event is getting worldwide coverage across all of the reliable sources, but I personally think that this event was meaningless or weak" is not a valid !vote rationale. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 17:18, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- As been shown multiple times on the talk page, ITN is not about repeating what's in the news, but featuring quality articles about topics that are in the news. If you want to know what is in the news, you don't use an encyclopedia, you use a newspaper or news website. Masem (t) 20:21, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- As you say, the two requirements are (1) sufficient article quality and (2) it is a topic in the news. If I wanted to see a curated list of what internet users consider the "important" or most "interesting" things in the news, I wouldn't use an encyclopedia, I would open Reddit. This is precisely why subjective assessments of the importance or impact of a given event are irrelevant. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 04:16, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- As been shown multiple times on the talk page, ITN is not about repeating what's in the news, but featuring quality articles about topics that are in the news. If you want to know what is in the news, you don't use an encyclopedia, you use a newspaper or news website. Masem (t) 20:21, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose they had their annual event, committed to even less than usual and went home again. Doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF as it's one of the least significant COP events in the last few years (last year for example they at least committed to lots of things). Just because some news articles were posted about it (which aren't even at the top of most news sites), this does not mean we should post it. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:45, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- And they're not even the most widely covered international tasks in the last few days anyway: USA and the possible Russia/Ukraine peace deal is getting way more coverage than COP30 (and yet this probably isn't at WP:ITNSIGNIF just yet). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:53, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- There's nothing in WP:ITNSIGNIF about whether the subject of an article has long-term consequences. Do you have issues with the length, depth, frequency, or type of sources that are presented for indicating the significance of the event (BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, France24)? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:43, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. Little of significance seems to have come from it and coverage has been tepid at best. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:56, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose had anything happened I’d consider supporting but this conference was a giant nothingburger. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 19:50, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt Wide coverage and obvious long-lasting impact. ArionStar (talk) 20:23, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Obvious lasting impact? They didn't agree to anything meaningful... Joseph2302 (talk) 21:26, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt Worldwide coverage, definitely had an impact. I support the alt as a more neutral phrasing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:00, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose No real news outside of the increasingly-insignificant gathering itself. Dr Fell (talk) 22:08, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt, normally I'd oppose for similar reasons that others have already pointed out, but I feel there has been quite significant worldwide coverage despite the lack of concrete results from it. Unlike several blurbs that has been nominated recently, I feel the article quality is actually quite alright for once and has a target article about the primary subject of the story. My only complaint is that the blurbs do not cover the "where" of the Five Ws. ~2025-35698-10 (talk) 00:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose per Masem. The Kip (contribs) 01:59, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support – You only have to look at the history of the article to see why this is a good match for ITN. It has been updated consistently and significantly as news came out. It's a great example of our project at work. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:38, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
Tehran runs out of water
[edit]Blurb: Tehran, the capital of Iran, runs out of water amid an ongoing drought. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Iran's capital Tehran faces calls for evacuation amid a water shortage.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Nov 2 (water to run out in “two weeks”)France24, Nov 8New York Post, Nov 8New York Times, Nov 9Foreign Policy, Nov 11Al Jazeera, Nov 12The Guardian, Nov 16BBC, Nov 16NBC News, Nov 16Vox, Nov 18 (“day zero”)Iran Intl, Nov 20Algemeiner Journal, Nov 20The Jerusalem Post, Nov 21Morocco World News, Nov 21Newsweek, Nov 21Scientific American, Nov 21World Weather Attribution, Nov 21Iran Intl, Nov 22RCW, Nov 22
Credits:
- Nominated by Yalestonian (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: the president is thinking of evacuating the entire city of 8 million and building a new capital on the southeast coast, but that is a process that will certainly take years. Yalestonian (talk) 06:01, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- More appropriate linking would be to Tehran water shortage. The text smells a bit botty. Bremps... 08:21, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Orange tag on maybe being AI, Undecided on notability Have we ever posted about water scarcity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emperor Sheev Palpatine of Naboo (talk • contribs) 07:48, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Tehran has multiple issues -- it's the start of the smog season and subsidence is a problem too. But relocating the capital seems too WP:CRYSTAL for ITN. Meanwhile at COP30, we read that "Iran is considered one of the top ten carbon emitters and is the only country, aside from Yemen and Libya, that has signed but not ratified the landmark Paris Agreement aimed at keeping global temperatures from rising beyond a certain level." Andrew🐉(talk) 08:56, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now since nothing (that wasn't a long-term structural problem) has actually happened yet. Obviously if the city is actually evacuated that would be newsworthy though This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 09:55, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose if they do evacuate the city then nominate it then as it would likely meet WP:ITNSIGNIF then. But it doesn't reach that threshold right now and we don't post or assume significance based on maybes or speculation. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:54, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- You don't think with all the sources Yalestonian listed above, this nomination already meets WP:ITNSIGNIF? With something as unpredictable as this, I don't think it would be helpful to wait for the situation to develop further. It's impossible to tell what the low-point is, and quickly after we are beyond it the news would become stale. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:53, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Per most of the above. Interesting development though. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:58, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt President called for evacuation. If it had happened in a European capital, it would be quickly posted. ArionStar (talk) 20:44, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- you get it!! I am sick of all the western-centerted ITN noms. JaxsonR (talk) 23:25, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- You're mistaken. London's water supply is constantly in the news as the main utility has lots of financial and operational problems. For example, see Single fault at Thames Water works could imperil London’s supply. More generally, about a quarter of the world doesn't have a satisfactory supply – see WHO. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:44, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb - A large megacity with no water is notable. JaxsonR (talk) 20:56, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:CRYSTAL; "calls for" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in the blurb. The Kip (contribs) 01:59, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Needs a lot of work – The sources listed above have not been added to the article. We could probably create a whole new article on the subject. Would be a shoe-in for ITN I think, but someone would have to put the work in. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:49, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
Nigeria school kidnapping
[edit]Blurb: Over 300 students are kidnapped in Papiri, Niger State, Nigeria. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Chorchapu (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Major school kidnapping in Nigeria. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 02:25, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wait until the article integrity. ArionStar (talk) 02:30, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as article is a stub. Support on notability, however. The Kip (contribs) 02:49, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment The situation in Nigeria is terrible right now. There have been at least four major kidnappings this week. How about we merge the kidnappings into one blurb instead of individually nominating them and potentially overwhelming the ITN box? Bremps... 05:04, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. This explainer indicates that it's mainly endemic banditry. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:12, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: they don't need to know what I did. In all seriousness, there are way more important things happening right now, and as bad askt sounds, 300 kids beng kidnapped isn't one of them. CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 16:45, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Genuinely curious what would be more important. Bremps... 01:20, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- What, @CREditzWiki? I bet if there were 500 children kidnapped in other very large English-speaking gun-crazy places like the USA, it would have been posted already. How can this be less relevant than a low profile US politician dying of old age, which you argued for? Nfitz (talk) 05:24, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Support Significant crime. Article quality appears to be adequate, though not great. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:01, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Would we post 300 children being abducted in France, or in Nebraska, or in Okinawa? Of course we would. Article is a bit thin, but ok. Khuft (talk) 20:28, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support The Zamfara kidnapping was posted. ArionStar (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support while kidnappings of school children do seem to be a recurring issue in Nigeria, this is much more extreme in scale. V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 22:35, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- I'd like the support get a bit more solid, TBH. Schwede66 03:09, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Solid support – Article looks good. Fine work on it. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:55, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
November 22
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November 22, 2025 (Saturday)
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NWSL Championship
[edit]Blurb: In association football, Gotham FC defeats the Washington Spirit to win the NWSL Championship (MVP Rose Lavelle pictured). (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Hameltion (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: One of if not the world's leading women's soccer league, major US professional league. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:13, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Lean Oppose i personally do not believe that NWLS has the sports level of significance for ITN especially given how prevalent soccer is internationally. I would argue domestic leagues for soccer should be only limited to Liga and Premier (including their female variants) only because they have a much larger international following than say MLS or NWLS from what I understand Ion.want.uu (talk) 05:56, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose we already have too much sports slop on ITN/R. Let's not make any more This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 09:57, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose We can't post every sports championship and the coverage for this one has been tepid, even in the US. If we are going to post this, then we are going to have to start posting national soccer championship matches everywhere, for both women and men. I think at some point we have to start drawing a line. This one just doesn't strike me as having a level of soccer/football significance that would justify our attention on the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:14, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Someone remind me on what we do with the USA MLS Cup ... (hmm, might not be USA this year). Nfitz (talk) 20:29, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Not a major football league on the international stage. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:58, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. U.S. soccer leagues, both male and female, are down the pyramid a ways. The Kip (contribs) 00:04, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support – WP:ITN/R has been designed to keep our features of sporting events limited, but if an article is high-quality and well-updated, and a subject meets WP:ITNSIGNIF, I can't oppose the nomination. Nice work on putting this together! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:00, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Jair Bolsonaro's arrest
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro (image) preventively arrested by the Federal Police in Brasília. (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Vitorperrut555 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- @Vitorperrut555: A condenação dele já foi postada antes; além disso, a entrada precisa ser reescrita. ArionStar (talk) 23:31, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- oppose - seems like a very minor event. He tried to escape house arrest and was detained.
- Noah, BSBATalk 23:55, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose We already covered his conviction - User:Emperor Sheev Palpatine of Naboo
- Oppose - it's the (posted) conviction that was the story. Not this. Nfitz (talk) 01:22, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Not notable, redundant. TheInevitables (talk) 01:52, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. The Kip (contribs) 02:49, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Certainly notable and a significant milestone in Brazil’s backslide from democracy under Lula and Moraes, this arrest itself isn’t worth a blurb. Dr Fell (talk) 04:17, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose man convicted of crime goes to jail This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 09:56, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose and suggest WP:SNOW close. His conviction was already posted. Comment: God, why does every ITN candidate lately end up being snow-closed? HOPPIO [talk] 10:46, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:GUILLOTINE.
Wikipedia's dispute resolution system includes some noticeboards that are relatively unmoderated. Discussions there can become free-for-alls that do more harm than good, with toxic piling-on that escalates instead of solving the dispute. ...
Andrew🐉(talk) 12:05, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:GUILLOTINE.
- Oppose per Orbitalbuzzsaw. ~2025-35698-10 (talk) 13:15, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
RD: JoAnn Persch
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC7 Chicago
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American religious sister and immigration activist. Died on November 14, but appears death was announced on November 17. ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:15, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Article is well sourced, and seems to have enough prose about Persch to warrant the post. ----The Robot Parade 14:07, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Though, considering it was announced on the 17th, that means we only have today to post this. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:54, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
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Auction of Superman #1
[edit]Blurb: A copy of the first issue of the Superman comic book series from 1939 sells at auction for $9.12 million, beating the previous record of $3.2 milion for Action Comics 1's sale in 2014. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYTimes
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: We had posted the previous Action Comics sale, and unlike the recent nomination on an art auction where there were questions as what defined the class of art, this is the record for all comics. Unfortunately we don't have a separate article on that issue itself, but the series article linked is in good shape from a sourcing perspective. Masem (t) 15:59, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The Portrait of Elisabeth Lederer sale resulted in the creation of a substantial article whereas this is just a small update and the lead of the target article says nothing about the news. The other nomination had a good PD image; this doesn't have an image. The other sale was over $200M whereas this is under $10M. No contest. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:23, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose per Andrew🐉(talk)
- Oppose per Andrew. Moreover, the first issue of the comic had a print run of 200,000 copies, and this is just one of them that sells for a record price, so the buyer doesn't have exclusive ownership of the printed original as there are other copies around the world (probably not 199,999 as some have been lost or destroyed). This would have been way more significant had it been the last surviving copy. In contrast, paintings that sell at auctions are originals, which gives the buyer exclusive ownership, thus making it incomparably less notable than the Portrait of Elisabeth Lederer sale a few days ago.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:14, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is the only known copy in condition 9.0, hence the price. There are other copies, but most have been damaged or destroyed. Even slight damage reduces the grade. (An 8.0 sold for 5.3 million a while back.) The pedigree of this particular comic will make it forever special even if another 9.0 turns up. Superman #1 has a special place in comics history as it was the first comic to feature a single character. Previous comics like Action were anthologies. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:38, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- See Ally Sloper's Half Holiday, first published in 1884. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:51, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- The difference between a pedigree of grades 9.0 and 8.0 is barely visible, and it certainly doesn't prevent the reader to digest the content in any way. The significance of this particular comic is undeniable, but so are many car models whose surviving units sell at auctions for much higher prices and we never post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:00, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- The difference is apparently worth about three million bucks. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:29, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is a very marginal topic of interest. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:39, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- That should absolutely not be a reason to dismiss ITN. We're trying to broaden the type of stories that ITN covers. Masem (t) 23:28, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. DYK candidate. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:54, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Seems like trivia. I also don't see much evidence of enduring global coverage beyond the initial wave of english-language pieces reporting "hey, this happened". I see no reason not to hold this to the same standard that other events are held to at ITN. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 17:25, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle I think it's fine to have some light news in ITN ever once in a while.–DMartin 17:43, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Absolutely incorrect: everything posted to ITN must contain 500 deaths minimum. As far as I can tell, no one died because of this. Ergo, this has no place whatsoever at ITN. CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 17:58, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Largely per Andrew. I'm not seeing any real significance here that would justify a blurb. This is further indicated by the lack of a stand alone article. Records of this sort come and go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:06, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Andrew and Flipandflopped. The Kip (contribs) 02:00, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
RD: Ornella Vanoni
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): France24
Credits:
- Nominated by ~2025-35524-89 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by IvanScrooge98 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Italian pop singer. ~2025-35524-89 (talk) 10:23, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
RD: Eli Zeira
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of Israel
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Chomik1129 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Israeli intelligence officer and director of the Military Intelligence Directorate during the Yom Kippur War. Chomik! (talk?) 01:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is sufficient. Props to the nominator for improving it so much so quickly. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:33, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Notability and article quality standards are met. TheInevitables (talk) 00:45, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- @TheInevitables: Keep in mind, all articles on Wikipedia are assumed notable enough to be posted on RD. The only standard is the quality of the article. ----The Robot Parade 17:00, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
2025 Miss Universe
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Blurb: Fátima Bosch of Mexico is crowned Miss Universe 2025. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Fátima Bosch of Mexico is crowned Miss Universe 2025, after being referred to as "dumb" by a ceremony official before the event.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Wait until people leave it alone. Maybe tomorrow support blurb. Alt blurb has too much. CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 20:33, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Alt blurb is totally irrelevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:16, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Second. I personally don't care that one official called the eventual winner dumb. CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 00:02, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose firstly don't see how this meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. And nowhere near meeting WP:ITNQUALITY as very little actual useful event prose, instead just a mass number of controversies. Garbage article. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:30, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose there are 4 major beauty pageants every year and we can't be posting them all. The current state of the event article is not good and needs far more prose on the event. Strong oppose the altblurb; we aren't page six and this is useless trivia. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 21:47, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as sufficiently cretinous as to negate notability. (The topic, not the nomination.) —Fortuna, imperatrix 23:10, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Fortuna imperatrix mundi: You know, some people might argue that opposing a blurb partly on the basis of refusing to add legitimacy to an event or practice that is regressive, antiquated, and ontologically demeaning towards womanhood is antithetical to the spirit of our second pillar—and I don't care. Oppose with extreme prejudice against anything pageantry-related besmirching the Main Page. Kurtis (talk) 13:28, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- I'd hate to be that person that brings up page view stats, but this event that's not important has more page views than 2025 MotoGP World Championship, which is automatically important. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:24, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't really comparable. This is one of four annual beauty pageants as opposed the the MotoGP World Championship which is the top event in the world. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 00:04, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Of the four, there are only two that may surpass WP:ITNSIGNIF: Universe and World, and I suppose the men here are abhorrent to posting one, much more both. Howard the Duck (talk) 02:13, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Good point. This event is beating all the current ITN blurbs easily. That's because it's the top read article currently and so there doesn't seem to be much alternative. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:25, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't really comparable. This is one of four annual beauty pageants as opposed the the MotoGP World Championship which is the top event in the world. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 00:04, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment The second part of the altblurb does not add any additional context or elaborate something readers needs to know in order to understand the main "story" of the blurb/nomination. I feel non-essential information like this is better left omitted from the blurbs. Question Additionally, isn't the norm that the targeted article is one bolded? ~2025-35388-89 (talk) 00:38, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose General consensus on WP is that beauty paegents are still exploitive events of women, and while we cover them because they are in the news, we really don't want to glorify these events. Masem (t) 03:30, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- I certainly missed notice of that consensus. And while criticism of these exist (among the community and otherwise) I wouldn't say there is any aversion to these at the level of say child beauty pageants. Considering the history of (lengthy and healthy) discusssions at ITN. Gotitbro (talk) 04:15, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- SNOW Obviously not sufficiently notable, and the altblurb makes me think there was a POINT to the nomination. -- Kicking222 (talk) 04:10, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose It was previously nominated before (like this one on December 17, 2018) and it was closed. 𝗠𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗷𝗮𝘆𝗮𝟲𝟳 (talk). 04:23, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. I guess the altblurb can be nominated for DYK, but otherwise this doesn't seems significant for a blurb. NotKringe (talk) 08:24, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
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RD: Spencer Lofranco
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline The Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Canadian actor best known for his roles in Jamesy Boy, Unbroken, and Gotti. ItsShandog (talk) 20:42, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
Not readyfilmography is unsourced as are a few sentences (homeless on the beach with the nickname "Fire", for instance) 1brianm7 (talk) 05:32, 21 November 2025 (UTC)- I have added citations to filmography section and that sentence you mentioned must of been removed as I don't see it anymore. ItsShandog (talk) 09:14, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support nice work, article is in a better, fully cited, state. 1brianm7 (talk) 19:36, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- I have added citations to filmography section and that sentence you mentioned must of been removed as I don't see it anymore. ItsShandog (talk) 09:14, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Is this Only Fans advertisement in the article really necessary? Grimes2 16:43, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Grimes2: I wouldn't call it an advertisement; it is a neutral description of his final social media post before his death. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:04, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Huh...
Lofranco claimed "the best is yet to come" and was encouraging people to "subscribe to my Only Fans."
well that's the first time I saw this. Anyway, the article quality is sufficient. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:24, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
2025 Tongan general election
[edit]Blurb: Ten members of the Legislative Assembly of Tonga retain their seats in the general election. (Post)
News source(s): Matangi Tonga
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
ArionStar (talk) 14:39, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Much better shape then comparable elections, unless there is something I'm missing then this seems like a complete go Normalman101 (talk) 15:17, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support, I did not spot any glaring issues. ~2025-34764-67 (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - the article is obviously not ready. There are no electoral results. 10 (of 26? 30?) members getting re-elected isn't a meaningful blurb, and I can't find that fact in the article. Will the Prime Minister change? ~2025-35132-06 (talk) 18:38, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- General elections are on WP:ITN/R, so it's automatically presumed to be meaningful enough to post.–DMartin 00:11, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The main results are missing. the first two supports obviously haven't actually scrutinised the article. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:19, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Was reading for formatting, redlinks, and prose. Normalman101 (talk) 15:35, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
Oppose per above. No prose on the results, either.The Kip (contribs) 20:24, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Article has been substantially updated, but agree with wait votes regarding blurbing once a prime minister is selected. The Kip (contribs) 02:02, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wait - The party affiliations of the winning candidates are yet to be released. If it does turn out that all winners are independents (which seems likely), then the usual course is to post which individual is elected prime minister (which parliament will vote on). This is how the last election in Tuvalu and the 2022 Nauruan parliamentary election were posted (although in Nauru's case it was the president). The Tongan parliament may not hold a vote for PM for a little while (it did not occur for almost a month after the previous election). If that does eventuate, then this nomination would need to be withdrawn and then could be renominated after the PM is elected — N Panama 84534 🏝️🥥 20:29, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
Wait for the results as per above. Apart from that, the article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:11, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support The results are now in. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:27, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wait for confirmed results per above.–DMartin 00:12, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Hold per above, then support This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:00, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wait per above. The blurb is also reads a bit like trivia, is this really the most noteworthy thing in the election?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chorchapu (talk • contribs) 14:26, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wait per above. Per Chorchapu, I suggest changing the blurb once the results are out. HOPPIO [talk] 12:38, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- @~2025-35132-06, @Andrew Davidson, @The Kip, @N Panama 84534, @MtPenguinMonster, @Dmartin969, @Orbitalbuzzsaw, @Chorchapu, @Hoppiovonhoppio: the results are out. Any alt blurb proposal? ArionStar (talk) 20:21, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- I suggest waiting until a prime minister is elected (which will probably not be for few a weeks), as is usually done for elections where all candidates are independents. Probably best to withdraw this nomination and renominate once this has occurred. — N Panama 84534 🏝️🥥 20:27, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- @~2025-35132-06, @Andrew Davidson, @The Kip, @N Panama 84534, @MtPenguinMonster, @Dmartin969, @Orbitalbuzzsaw, @Chorchapu, @Hoppiovonhoppio: the results are out. Any alt blurb proposal? ArionStar (talk) 20:21, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
RD: Gary "Mani" Mounfield
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Ceoil (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Drchriswilliams (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Basist with The Stone Roses and Primal Scream Ceoil (talk) 15:33, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Awards section needs references. SpencerT•C 20:24, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Done. Ceoil (talk) 23:49, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
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Nexperia
[edit]Blurb: The Netherlands suspends its takeover of Chinese-owned Nexperia. (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Psephguru (talk · give credit)
Pretty big news in the econ front of having the state-takeover of a company reversed due to pressure.Psephguru (talk) 09:34, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. This is a huge domestic news story here, so I can definitely imagine a feature based on it. However, the article has only been updated with a single sentence, and I have a hard time gauging what "suspended control" even really means. What has changed? Much more prose is necessary here. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:23, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- The Chinese owned resumed ownership in running the company.Psephguru (talk) 11:36, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- A single-sentence news update doesn't really warrant featuring on the Wikipedia frontpage. We want that, when readers click on the article, they learn more about the subject. The entire incident is just a single paragraph. It gives some good context, but it doesn't feel like the level we should look for for frontpage features. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:38, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- The Chinese owned resumed ownership in running the company.Psephguru (talk) 11:36, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Needs work to explain what's going on. This used to be part of the big Dutch conglomerate, Philips. It makes chips and is an essential supplier of them to the auto industry. It has now become part of the US/China trade war and Chinese pushback is disrupting the auto industry. To coin a phrase, "Everything's Computer!". Andrew🐉(talk) 13:09, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
RD: Roza Jalilova
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): apa
Credits:
- Nominated by QuicoleJR (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ~2025-34766-48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Azerbaijani dancer. Article is long enough and fully sourced. QuicoleJR (talk) 04:15, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Corruption in Ukraine
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Blurb: Ukrainian parliament votes to dismiss Minister of Justice German Galushchenko and Minister of Energy Svitlana Hrynchuk amid wartime corruption scandal investigated by the Operation Midas. (Post)
News source(s): The Kyiv Independent, Reuters
Article needs updating
- Support – This article feels like the platonic ideal of an ITN feature. I can see a lot of work has been put into it in the past week. I would like to see the [failed verification] in the lede cleaned up first, but otherwise it looks good. I expect a lot of !votes related to whether this is already covered by our existing Ongoing articles, but it looks like Midas is not mentioned in either article currently, so it's not covered. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:03, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment It's in the news but my concern is whether we should be highlighting this in particular when there's so much corruption elsewhere. :For example:
- Milan’s real estate corruption probe in doubt
- Police raid Portugal's TAP airline in corruption probe
- Albania is fighting corruption. The accused are fighting back
- Man who testified in Histadrut corruption probe dies by suicide
- A year of Serbian anti-Corruption Protests
- Top PLA heads have rolled but China’s hunt for corrupt military officials may be here to stay
- These are all fairly fresh stories that one finds when searching for "corruption" but I'm not sufficiently familiar with the details to evaluate their comparative merits.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 15:17, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose We should wait until there us a court case and decision on guilt, rather than intermediate actions, in the cases of govt corruption. BLPCRIME concerns and all that in addition to typical ITN caution to wait for such verdicts. Masem (t) 15:21, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose/Wait for conviction per WP:BLPCRIME. ~2025-34764-67 (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support now There is no need to wait, the story is that they have been dismissed from their ministerial postions, and the reasons given are due that this is due to Midas, so where is the BLP violation? Whether fairly or not is another matter but there's no inferrence of crime here, just pure statement of fact. We rarely have a corruption story with a definite "blurbworthy" moment which can be nailed on to a specific time and place, and if we wait, then what usually happens in corruption cases, there will be appeals, counter-suits, political maneuvering, blame-shifting and all sorts of judicial wrangling before it all fizzles out with either one or two scapegoats or with blame completely dissipated over time. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:39, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Major political scandal in the Ukraine, developing just now.Wi1-ch (talk) 19:10, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- A developing political scandal is very much not appropriate for ITN, unless it was the arrest of the sitting national leader. Masem (t) 19:38, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don't want to be that guy, but we're putting cabinet members being removed from office into ITN now? Howard the Duck (talk) 19:17, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose An anti-corruption investigation revealing corruption in one of the most corrupt countries in the world isn't really major news, and the removal from office of the two ministers involved isn't a significant change in the country's politics. Unless this story further results in mass convictions of high-profile political figures or Zelenskyy is held accountable and removed from office because he appointed the two corrupt ministers, this seems like a staged scandal to please the EU politicians that Ukraine is fighting corruption.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:44, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Howard the Duck. Ministers losing their post due to corruption allegations is a common occurrence. If it reaches PM or President level, then it might be worth posting. Khuft (talk) 20:05, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Howard and Khuft. The Kip (contribs) 20:23, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose While significant in Ukrainian politics, this is not worthy of an ITN feature, as political scandals such as this one are not terribly uncommon, even less so in Ukraine! TheInevitables (talk) 20:37, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose – Corruption in Ukraine is common enough for this particular story to not be posted to ITN. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 20:45, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Portrait of Elisabeth Lederer
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Blurb: Gustav Klimt's Portrait of Elisabeth Lederer (pictured) sells at auction for US$236.4 million, making it the most expensive piece of modern art in history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Gustav Klimt's Portrait of Elisabeth Lederer (pictured) sells for US$236.4 million, making it the second most valuable artwork ever sold at auction.
News source(s): ABC, BBC, CNN, NBC, Guardian, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Golem08 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose given that the blurb has to specify that it is the most expensive modern art to make it sounds significant (and to exclude several paintings more expensive than it), I don't think this will be really worth blurbing. NotKringe (talk) 03:00, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- @NotKringe:, I've added an altblurb which focuses instead on how it is the second most valuable artwork ever sold at auction. I think that's definitely significant. Golem08 (talk) 03:10, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- no, only the most valuable. Runners up don't get ITN. Scuba 03:15, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- @NotKringe:, I've added an altblurb which focuses instead on how it is the second most valuable artwork ever sold at auction. I think that's definitely significant. Golem08 (talk) 03:10, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as per NotKringe. May be more suitable for DYK. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:10, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- "Most expensive" is
triplyquadruply misleading. Besides "modern art", it's limited to actual sales - the Mona Lisa was appraised at what would now be over a billion inflation-adjusted dollars - and further limited to auctions - Interchange (de Kooning) which, unlike Salvator Mundi, is modern art, sold privately for 300 million. And it only makes second place among auctions when measured by unadjusted dollars. Altblurb is a little better. A link to List of most expensive paintings, where this appears all the way down in tenth place, might help, but I'm not convinced it would be sufficient by itself. —Cryptic 03:15, 19 November 2025 (UTC) - Oppose should be a DYK. Scuba 03:16, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose – As above. 5225C (talk • contributions) 03:23, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above and suggest close, given it is snowing. I appreciate the good faith nom, though, and agree with others it is a good candidate for DYK. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 04:29, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Forecast shows some WP:SNOW. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:21, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - Inflation affects these things, and reduces the meaning of an already marginal story. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:30, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support It's in the news and we have a reasonable encyclopedia article about it which has been updated. This is the fundamental purpose of ITN. Arguing about the work's significance and value is not – de gustibus non est disputandum. Note also that we have a good PD picture and that's worth a thousand words. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:41, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Neutral – Based on above discussion, the superlative blurb simply isn't correct. I wouldn't be opposed to simply blurbing this still, as I don't think second-most expensive is inherently less encyclopedically interesting than the most-expensive, but it doesn't quite feel like a good match for ITN for the following reason: the news story is presented in three sentences on the article, which is meagre for an ITN feature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:24, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- oppose not a record, so not notable. just like every female or LGBT head of govt is not going to be posted for that reason these days.Psephguru (talk) 12:25, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose arts trivia. Suggest snow close as there is near-unanimous agreement not to post. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 13:36, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose and suggest snow close. Take it to DYK. CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 13:49, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. This record is subjective because it depends what counts as modern art - does Interchange (de Kooning) not qualify? That sold for $300m in 2015. It also ignores inflation. It's currently tenth on our List of most expensive paintings, which itself states that the list is likely missing several more expensive sales that weren't publicly disclosed. It's not Klimt's best-known work, or his most expensive if adjusted for inflation (that's Wasserschlangen II). So while this is mildly interesting, I don't think it's significant enough for an ITN blurb. Like others have suggested, it would work better at DYK, if it qualifies there. Modest Genius talk 14:10, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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(Closed) Epstein files votes
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Blurb: In the United States, the House of Representatives and the Senate vote nearly unanimously to pass the Epstein Files Transparency Act, which would release the Epstein files. (Post)
News source(s): NBC - HoP, CNN - S
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- Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)
- Strong oppose given this is a BLP landmine area, we are still ways away from any person being affected by these even if they ever get released in their unredacted form. Definitely not appropriate for ITN to feature this. Masem (t) 20:04, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Wait for when they actually release and something comes of it, though the only ITN-worthy thing that I can imagine is a major shakeup/fall of the Trump admin. Gotitbro (talk) 20:30, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose this bill does not "compel" anyone to release anything, and per others, there is nothing significant coming out of this yet. Natg 19 (talk) 20:32, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Might consider blurbing only if something actually comes of it, for now it's just a bill/act similar to any other Normalman101 (talk) 20:59, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose: see here. CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 21:52, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The files aren't even out yet, and there's a chance that the files are so redacted that nothing comes out of it ~2025-34976-84 (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: André Chandernagor
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The Robot Parade (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: French politican who served in various influential positions. Article is fully sourced and adequate in length. --The Robot Parade 19:50, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:13, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article seems to be in a good condition. Grimes2 16:37, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support: it is Ready to add this. ROY is WAR Talk! 23:16, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 04:06, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
2025 World Shooting Championship
[edit]Blurb: China wins the 2025 World Shooting Championships in Cairo, Egypt, with 21 medals. (Post)
News source(s): [Xinhua], [People's Daily]
Credits:
- Nominated by Chorchapu (talk · give credit)
- Created by WikiEdits2003 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Alibene567 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Woefully undersourced, but the world championships in shooting Chorchapu (talk | edits) 19:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as article has literally no prose. The Kip (contribs) 20:14, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality per The Kip. Additionally, unclear if this is a significant sporting event. Natg 19 (talk) 20:34, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality More on tables. 𝗠𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗷𝗮𝘆𝗮𝟲𝟳 (talk). 01:32, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality and notability prose is non existentent. Also, not every sport's world championship meets WP:ITNSIGNIF, and this one doesn't. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:12, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
Decriminalization of sodomy in the military and police justice of the Dominican Republic
[edit]Blurb: The Constitutional Court of the Dominican Republic rules that the criminalization of sodomy in both military and police justice is unconstitutional. (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Nika de Hitch (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nika de Hitch (talk) 19:30, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This does not appear to rise to the level of ITN and the article (of which this forms precisely two sentences) hasn't been updated either. Black Kite (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Black Kite. The Kip (contribs) 20:13, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose – Robsalerno (talk · contribs) did a nice job updating the article, but the update to the article is not major enough to warrant an ITN feature. It's just a few new sentences, really. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:57, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Beyond the article only containing a few sentences about this, it simply hasn't garnered sufficient coverage in global news sources. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 17:27, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Randy Jones
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The San Diego Union-Tribune
Credits:
- Nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American baseball player, former Cy Young Award winner. —Bagumba (talk) 16:20, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Article is well sourced and detailed, looks good to post! ----The Robot Parade 18:57, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Semi-boldy marking ready, with no objections after two days.—Bagumba (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 20:21, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Randy Burke
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WKYT
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The Robot Parade (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American football wide receiver for the Baltimore Colts. Article is somewhat short but long enough and fully sourced. --The Robot Parade 05:18, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support: article seems good. CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 13:50, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
OpposeSourcing is overreliant on non-independent media guides.—Bagumba (talk) 09:20, 20 November 2025 (UTC)- @Bagumba: I went through and sourced several statements from the article. It still uses the media guides a good bit for overall season stats, but I think it may be reduced enough for RD. If it's still rough, I can probably replace with PFR citations. Thoughts? ----The Robot Parade 15:40, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- @The Robot Parade: Your addition of indy, secondary sources alleviates my concern w.r.t. WP:BESTSOURCES (btw, PFR would be a primary source). Media guides do have their place. Striking my oppose.—Bagumba (talk) 15:55, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: I went through and sourced several statements from the article. It still uses the media guides a good bit for overall season stats, but I think it may be reduced enough for RD. If it's still rough, I can probably replace with PFR citations. Thoughts? ----The Robot Parade 15:40, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article's sourcing and quality looks good. Marking as ready. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:40, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 09:47, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Singapore qualifies for the 2027 AFC Asian Cup
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Blurb: For the first time, the Singapore national football team have qualified for the Asian Cup on merit. (Post)
News source(s): CNA, SCMP
Credits:
- Nominated by ZKang123 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose the blurb for the South African football team qualifying for the World Cup has already been shot down for being a mere trivia, so I don't think a qualification for a continent-scale tournament warrant a blurb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NotKringe (talk • contribs) 02:56, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Moral support, as a fellow Singaporean, but I doubt this will be approved as: 1. the ITN venue is focused more on the final winners rather than qualifiers when comes to competitions, regardless of the new highs that individual teams/persons have progressed to. 2. As the competition is ongoing, it is uncertain as to how much higher can the Singaporean team progress in the competition, even if the likelihood is low that they will go on to the next stage. – robertsky (talk) 03:03, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose 23 other teams will also qualify. I don't know why this one is special. HiLo48 (talk) 03:06, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per NotKringe. This isn't remotely close to being notable. Elisecars727 (talk) 03:55, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose About as easy an oppose as possible. Qualification to the world cup for American Samoa might be notable enough. No other qualification alone is remotely close.Basetornado (talk) 05:09, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Actually, Curaçao and Haiti have just qualified. That's pretty special. HiLo48 (talk) 06:30, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose provincial sports bloggery This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:23, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Only of provincial significance. TarnishedPathtalk 07:30, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose not enough significance to meet WP:ITNSIGNIF. Not even the most covered football qualification story today, as Haiti and Curaçao reaching the 2026 FIFA World Cup is getting aay more coverage- but also not enough to post here. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:12, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
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(Closed) Gaza peace plan endorsed by the United Nations Security Council
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Blurb: Gaza peace plan has been endorsed by the United Nations Security Council. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The United Nations Security Council passes a resolution to endorse the Gaza peace plan.
News source(s): [5]
Article updated
- Oppose The NYT analysis says that "
And Hamas has made clear it will not make things easy. The group rejected the U.N. resolution, saying on Tuesday that involving the International Stabilization Force in disarming it would turn the force into “a party to the conflict on behalf of” Israel.
" If Hamas doesn't agree with the resolution then it seems dead before it has started. Turning this round will mean more action on the ground and further negotiation and that's what we have Ongoing for. Note that the target article's lead doesn't explain that Hamas is dissenting from this Resolution and so gives a misleading impression that everything is on track. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:36, 18 November 2025 (UTC) - Oppose a classic case of "covered by the ongoing". This is not that much of a significant development. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 17:49, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:27, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: ongoing covers it, that's satisfactory. I recommend snow close as opposed to any more oppose votes.CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 01:30, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
2025 Medina bus crash
[edit]Blurb: A bus carrying Umrah pilgrims to Mecca collides with a tanker in Medina, Saudi Arabia, killing at least 45 people. (Post)
News source(s): NYT The Hindu Al Jazeera CBC O Globo
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Working on it. ArionStar (talk) 03:38, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Withholding judgement until the article is more complete, but haven't these incidents involving pilgrims become relatively routine? I feel like I see at least one a year.–DMartin 03:49, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:20, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Clearly a taffic collision during a holy pilgrimage whih kills about a 50 people cannot be chalked out as a non-notable news event. Though I agree the article is barely a stub. Gotitbro (talk) 10:06, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, undecided on notability At first glance this seems somewhat frequent but we'll see. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 13:19, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- I'd say it's now just barely passable, and as for notability I've thought about it and now Oppose as this looks to be an unfortunately common event. Also, it doesn't make it onto any of the BBC, Guardian, or AP front pages. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 16:10, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose A tragic, but unfortunately run-of-the-mill event. —Fortuna, imperatrix 13:25, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Dmartin969 and Chorchapu:
Article improved. ArionStar (talk) 14:12, 18 November 2025 (UTC) - Oppose accidents like this seem to happen with each of these pilgrimages, so while tragic, it's routine as well. Also there is only one paragraph on the event, the rest BG and reactions, so there seems to be very little pact from this. Masem (t) 22:02, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose I am usually keen to post mass-casualty accidents so long as it is clear that there is a wide breadth of coverage and the accident is sufficiently shocking or unusual to have merited a significant government response or investigation. In this case though, the breadth of coverage seems more limited (there are some articles from outside the region, but not as many as for some other bus accident noms we've seen), and I accept Masem's point that pilgrimage crashes are effectively annual. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 04:32, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose per Flipandflopped. The Kip (contribs) 04:22, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rebecca Heineman
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): PC Gamer
Credits:
- Nominated by MidnightMayhem (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American game developer and LGBT activist. Article needs more sources, especially for games she worked on, but improvements are ongoing. MidnightMayhem (talk) 00:56, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Was going to nominate this earlier but at the time, the video game credits were unsourced. Now that I look at it now, that has been fixed, and as we are dealing with an individual that is well established to have had a gender change, I believe the article is compliant with core BLP issues like DEADNAME. Masem (t) 05:04, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support aside from the career section being sparsely sourced, I did not spot any glaring issues that would prevent this from being posted. I think the quality is sufficient for posting as a RD. ~2025-34635-24 (talk) 14:23, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Legendary programmer. Worthy of a RD post IMO. Urbanracer34 (talk) 14:44, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support: Article seems to really rely on the Women in Gaming book for most of its prose alongside primary sources, but I don't think either issue prevents it from RD. ----The Robot Parade 16:39, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Ready Quality article.–DMartin 18:45, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support as a RD. —Fortuna, imperatrix 18:52, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support 6466 characters (1068 words) "readable prose size" and sourced. Grimes2 17:52, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 23:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
(Posted RD) RD/blurb: Kessler Twins
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: The Kessler Twins (pictured), who were a famous double-act, choose to die together on the same day. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, EuroNews, Times of India, The Times, Die Zeit
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by IvanScrooge98 (talk · give credit) and MyGosh789 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Famous German singers, dancers and actresses. Grimes2 17:26, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Yes, they both died on the same day. Schwede66 22:15, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Quality article.–DMartin 03:22, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support – My eyes were drawn to this unusual nomination, so may as well go through the effort to support it. Article looks solid. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:55, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support articles looks good. How unusual 1brianm7 (talk) 15:30, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Ready: Was considering nominating this myself. Article looks to be quality and there's a consensus to post. ----The Robot Parade 16:39, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Blurb I'd not come across them before but they were quite famous in some countries in their day. Anyway, what's remarkable is that, though they seemed in reasonably good health for their age, they were very close and chose to die together by assisted suicide. A blurb seems needed to explain this unusual double-death. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:55, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. RD is sufficient. Natg 19 (talk) 22:04, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb article appears good to post. Blurb absolutely not necessary, no indication of how they were a major figure, and while it's an unusual case of choosing to use assisted suicide to die at the same time, that is completely legal in Germany and not uncommon itself. That factoid is better for DYK than as a blurb Masem (t) 22:08, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- That's all wrong.
- This is mainly a case of "death-is-the-story", not "major figure", though they do seem quite famous too.
- Such duo-suicide is quite rare -- see BBC report on another case, for example, which explicitly says "it’s rare".
- Assisted suicide is fairly new to Germany, dating from a court ruling in 2020, and the overall numbers are still fairly low there. And most countries don't have it at all, of course.
- As usual, the article doesn't qualify for DYK as the article was created in 2006 which shows how notable they were.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 21:58, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- That's all wrong.
- Support RD, oppose blurb - This is obviously not a suitable nomination for a blurb, and Andrew has made so many such nominations recently that it's getting to be disruptive even apart from everything else about how he uses ITNC. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:16, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb as per above. RD is sufficient. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:25, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb As per reasons above TheFellaVB (talk) 02:18, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Question This is a very unusual nomination, as articles about duos where neither of the two are independently notable enough to have their own page are already very few in number, and then it is even more rare for both members of such a duo to die in conjunction with each other and on the same date. With this said, I am wondering whether it would be more respectful or in keeping with the obituary-esque nature of the RD section to include them as Alice Kessler and Ellen Kessler as opposed to "Kessler twins". They were individual human beings who lived their own lives, after all. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 03:51, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- To some extent I agree, but I think there's a reason they decided to go out together. They were clearly a duo in almost every aspect of life. I wouldn't consider it disrespectful when it seems like that may be exactly how they want to be remembered. ----The Robot Parade 05:23, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- WHy not a compromise like "Alice and Ellen Kessler" for RD. The German Wikipedia did it the same way. --Clibenfoart (talk) 09:24, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- That seems like a perfectly reasonable approach. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:34, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support RD oppose blurb: old women died. RD is sufficient enough. CREditzWiki (yap) | (things i apparently did) 13:51, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb per above. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 14:09, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb as per others. RD is fine Joseph2302 (talk) 17:45, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: Natg 19 (talk) 22:13, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Posted as RD, showing as "Alice and Ellen Kessler". Schwede66 22:52, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb and snow close, there is clear consensus forming to not post a blurb and as others have pointed out, there is nothing particularly significant about their deaths to warrant a blurb. ~2025-34764-67 (talk) 20:08, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
(Re-posted) Hasina conviction
[edit]Blurb:
Alternative blurb: The Bangladeshi International Crimes Tribunal convicts former Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina (pictured) of crimes against humanity and sentences her to death.
Alternative blurb II: Former Prime Minister of Bangladesh Sheikh Hasina (pictured) is found guilty of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death in absentia.
News source(s): DT ABC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Psephguru (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Started reading the verdict, so imminent on the judgement. It is notable though. Psephguru (talk) 08:32, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - At the time of writing this comment, the blurb ends "rules that former Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina is." She does presumably exist, but could we not put nominations up until we know what the story is, please? GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:34, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
The reading is currently under way alreadyGuilty already. Dunno the punishedment, but this is notable itself.Psephguru (talk) 08:37, 17 November 2025 (UTC)- Could you not have waited 10 minutes, and put up a complete nomination first time? No-one is going to reward you, or any of us, for rushing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:44, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I have no doubt that she indeed is. Jalapeño (u t g) 13:17, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support death penalty for a former head of government. Quality of the article looks good. Jalapeño (u t g) 08:52, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Altblurb added. Jalapeño (u t g) 08:55, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment The International Crimes Tribunal is a terribly misleading name given it's a Bangladeshi court; let's shorten it to ICT maybe or add the description "Bangladesh's" before it? Abcmaxx (talk) 09:10, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Done, for the altblurb. Jalapeño (u t g) 09:12, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed with altblurb. Also to wait a little, because fixed sourced will come soon, but I am updating it with what is in.Psephguru (talk) 09:20, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Done, for the altblurb. Jalapeño (u t g) 09:12, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support on quality and notability with altblurb There will probably much more to come given the gravity of the verdict but as it stands the article is comprehensive, easy to read and sourced. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:47, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support The death penalty of a former prime minister is notable, and the target article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:50, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support/altblurb/comment Added another alt, don't believe the court name is neccessary (not really a known body internationally). The other blurbs fail to say that it was in absentia, which is a big deal. Happy to change them if needed, but thought it best the users who wrote them add it if needed.Basetornado (talk) 09:54, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The tribunal is a domestic one not an international body and was set up for the civil war which resulted in the creation of Bangladesh but it's now being used for a political show trial of an opposition leader. The death penalty is not happening because she is in exile in India, who is not going to be giving her up, right? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:49, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Those are all good reasons to post. Abductive (reasoning) 10:58, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Her authoritarian rule caused thousands of deaths and tens of thousands injuries, including in one of the bloodiest crackdowns in recent history, not to mention the decades-long systematic persecution of political rivals with extrajudicial killings and abductions. Whatever Bangladesh's governance and judicial deficiencies, or stance on capital punishment, calling it a show trial effectively calling it a kangaroo court is a massively biased and partisan stance. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:16, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- This is just the way politics is done now in South Asia. Over in West Pakistan, the military regime is repressing the opposition but we're not posting about crimes against humanity there; instead the blurb is of a grand constitutional amendment to give them legal immunity from such considerations. Obviously these legal systems are quite partisan, serving the interests of whoever happens to be in power. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:49, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Since ITN is objective and not a blog or all the commentary on twitter last few hours.Psephguru (talk) 11:56, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Per WP:ITNSIGNIF, ITN is actually "
highly subjective
" and it shows. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:03, 17 November 2025 (UTC)- Two things can be true at once though, just because the Bangladeshi judicial process isn't great that doesn't automatically mean she was held responsible for atrocious crimes without reason. Also you would be hard-pressed to find any non-contentious sentencing of a high-ranking official even functioning democracies: was Sarkozy's sentence too lenient? Was Bolsonaro's too harsh? What about Assad fleeing to Moscow and being tried in absentia? Netenyahu's and Putin's Hague arrest warrants? What about even a relatively low-ranking Marcin Romanowski being granted asylum by Orban to avoid bring tried for some pretty brazen theft of public funds in Poland claiming the Polish now government and former opposition is out to get him? These are things all happening even in well-established non-authoritarian democratic countries. Few would question Hasina's culpability, and even fewer leaders of such stature are held to account by any court. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:37, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- You claim that these things are rare but my impression is that they are common and you list a bunch of recent examples. What matters is who holds power and we already posted details of her being deposed and fleeing. This show trial is just a coda and formality. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:07, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree, trials and judicial processes are important. We posted both ICC arrest warrants, Bolsonaro's conviction and a bit further back Frank Bainimarama's incarceration. Even with those precedents, none of these were convictions for crimes against humanity, that is the most of serious of charges one can face, on top of that there's a capital punishment element. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- You claim that these things are rare but my impression is that they are common and you list a bunch of recent examples. What matters is who holds power and we already posted details of her being deposed and fleeing. This show trial is just a coda and formality. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:07, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Two things can be true at once though, just because the Bangladeshi judicial process isn't great that doesn't automatically mean she was held responsible for atrocious crimes without reason. Also you would be hard-pressed to find any non-contentious sentencing of a high-ranking official even functioning democracies: was Sarkozy's sentence too lenient? Was Bolsonaro's too harsh? What about Assad fleeing to Moscow and being tried in absentia? Netenyahu's and Putin's Hague arrest warrants? What about even a relatively low-ranking Marcin Romanowski being granted asylum by Orban to avoid bring tried for some pretty brazen theft of public funds in Poland claiming the Polish now government and former opposition is out to get him? These are things all happening even in well-established non-authoritarian democratic countries. Few would question Hasina's culpability, and even fewer leaders of such stature are held to account by any court. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:37, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Per WP:ITNSIGNIF, ITN is actually "
- I wish to draw attention to Andrew's use of 'West Pakistan' here, because that would appear to carry the anachronistic and arguably inflammatory implication that Bangladesh, which is what the rest of us are discussing, is still 'East Pakistan'. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:18, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Since ITN is objective and not a blog or all the commentary on twitter last few hours.Psephguru (talk) 11:56, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- This is just the way politics is done now in South Asia. Over in West Pakistan, the military regime is repressing the opposition but we're not posting about crimes against humanity there; instead the blurb is of a grand constitutional amendment to give them legal immunity from such considerations. Obviously these legal systems are quite partisan, serving the interests of whoever happens to be in power. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:49, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Her authoritarian rule caused thousands of deaths and tens of thousands injuries, including in one of the bloodiest crackdowns in recent history, not to mention the decades-long systematic persecution of political rivals with extrajudicial killings and abductions. Whatever Bangladesh's governance and judicial deficiencies, or stance on capital punishment, calling it a show trial effectively calling it a kangaroo court is a massively biased and partisan stance. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:16, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Those are all good reasons to post. Abductive (reasoning) 10:58, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support, because actual rulers getting convicted is very rare, and ITN-worthy. Abductive (reasoning) 10:58, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support Former national leaders being sentenced to death in 2025, very rare. ArionStar (talk) 11:30, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support — Good work on the article! Good example of when we post articles on crime and judgment. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:35, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support ALT1 - Head of government fleeing the country and being sentenced to death is extraordinary. All passages are cited from a quick look. Also, Oppose original blurb as misleading. Hugoaway (talk) 11:32, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, i comment above in support of alt1.Psephguru (talk) 11:39, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support, per being headline news on Al Jazeera. —Fortuna, imperatrix 11:56, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Suppport ALT2 looks notable, ALT2 feels best, would be fine with ALT1, not ALT0 1brianm7 (talk) 11:57, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Original has already been renounced, but can't take it down as empty then.Psephguru (talk) 12:06, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Striked it. In the future, just put <s> and </s> between your blurb if you want to renounce your own blurb. Jalapeño (u t g) 12:33, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Original has already been renounced, but can't take it down as empty then.Psephguru (talk) 12:06, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support either blurb, with a preference for Alt 2. This is big news, and as previously discussed, we seem to have a broad consensus that convictions are the thing to post. Psephguru, thank you for being willing to listen; Jalapeño, thank you for helping, and for striking out the unwanted blurb rather the messing up the numbers by deleting it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:37, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks.Psephguru (talk) 14:03, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support with a preference for alt2. Major case, high profile defendant, lots of media coverage, article seems in decent shape. Modest Genius talk 14:49, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt 2 I do not believe there any debate this is notable however I think alt 2 is the better sounding one. Otto (talk) 15:00, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt 2 Unusual instance of a world leader actually being convicted, even if in absentia. The latter fact is key for the blurb. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:43, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt 2 Good article to nominate, and this ruling has a higher standard than just “a biased partisan ruling” SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 15:51, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt 2 more neutral wording, notable article to nominate. Ahammed Saad (talk) 17:04, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:30, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Query - This hasn't been pulled, has it? Because 4 hours after posting, it's not in ITN, and several older items are. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:01, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Yes it has been pulled, as there is discussion over BLPCRIME at WP:ERRORS. Natg 19 (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- If the blurb goes back up, it needs to be contextualised that a Bangladeshi court made the finding. Also the article itself needs correcting. At present in the first para a sentence reads "Hasina and Kamal were convicted on 17 November 2025 of crimes against humanity by the International Crimes Tribunal-I and sentenced to death, while Mamun was also found guilty but sentenced to five years in prison as he had turned into a state witness." Any reader could easily confuse The "International Crimes Tribunal-I" with being an actual international criminal tribunal, which it is not. TarnishedPathtalk 23:39, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- also, "Kamal" should be "Khan", right? ~2025-35353-50 (talk) 14:31, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Re-posted. Per broad consensus at WP:ERRORS, on top of the original consensus above, I've reverted my earlier pull and reinstated the hook. However, per a sensible observation by GreenLipstickLesbian, the simple addition that it was by a Bangladeshi court doesn't really harm the neutrality and may assuage some of the concerns raised by TarnishedPath. I've also made the nationality of the court clear in the article lead. My pull-and-then-repost action has effectively resulted in the status quo being restored, so if for any reason there's later a consensus that a further pull is required, that would be a fresh action and not subject to WP:WHEEL concerns. — Amakuru (talk) 00:42, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
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